I've been using the 2/0 magic eye trebles on some large rubber swimbaits last month and caught a bunch of nice fish on them. They're definitely a lot stronger than the regular gammies, I think even stronger than the Owner stinger hooks. I never had one start bending out. I'm not sure about the longer shank yet on the slammer. I generally wouldn't think having the hooks hang further away from the bait would be a good idea, but we'll see...