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836, Much better.
Posted by , Mon Feb-05-01 10:12 PM
Went back w/ only the June BugRobos tonight. Had a small one on the first cast, and a 3# on the 5th. I think this was the same one as the other night, but it snapped off as I lifted it up. Now it has two hooks. Got one that was maybe 1# a bit later. Finally got one at the other pond across the street. It was maybe 2#, and took it real shallow. It actually made me jump, as soon as I set the hook it was out of the water. Pulled a final fish that was 2#+ and that one was real shallow also, hanging right under this small drop w/ some weeds on it. Not a bad night.

Amish Ed
837, RE: Much better.
Posted by , Tue Feb-06-01 12:18 PM
The San Juan Village. I got it now. I've seen fish over 5lbs in there. Never caught a big one, but fish to 2.5 lbs.
838, RE: Much better.
Posted by Wade, Sat Feb-10-01 09:57 PM
If they're super shallow like that try a topwater 1-2' from the bank. On my Grandfather's pond they'd chase baby sunfish out onto the bank and nail them when they flipped back in.

Tight lines,
Wade
839, RE: Much better.
Posted by , Mon Feb-12-01 01:17 PM
Just over a week ago you caught your first,know yer ripp'n lip,good to hear your stories.Reminds me of when I 1st got started many many years ago.Keep up the good work and remember versatility is the key to being better then average,so dont be afraid to get creative and try new stuff.

Go git 'em

840, RE: Much better.
Posted by brian, Mon Feb-12-01 01:28 PM
Well well well, look who wandered off of the BNT board... Somebody's been a lurkin in these parts. Welcome to the board Lake.
-Brian
841, RE: Much better.
Posted by , Mon Feb-12-01 01:31 PM
I have been here a few times,I just read all this guys posts and just had to say something.It was so simple in the beginning no shows sponsors,tournies,just trying to catch a bass.I hope he stays on this forum I cant wait to here him catch his 1st 5+ then 10+

see ya
842, RE: Much better.
Posted by , Mon Feb-12-01 05:04 PM
No big ones for me, thank you. I'm targeting the small ones. There's more of them to be had, and they're easier to pull on.
No really, these freshwater fish are quite a bit different. I am just begining to get confident w/ the salty ones. Last year was my first where I used plastics 99% of the time for bass, and more than 50% on the pelagics. Now I have a whole new game to try.

Here's a question or two or three for you. How does one differentiate between sub-species of LM? Also, how slow is slow on a slow roll? I have a new spinnerbait to try. Hopefully this one won't like trees like the last three. At $9 a pop it's kinda irritating to see them hanging on branches and not my rod. Also, what is the basic LM angler to have in their box? What are the basic colors? Luckily I've been using lots of freshwater stuff in the salt so I am pretty well stocked for zippers, hooks, bullets, and Carolina Keepers. What else is there, I have an idea, but would like one concise list in front of me.

Thanks,
Amish Ed
843, RE: Much better.
Posted by brian, Mon Feb-12-01 06:33 PM
Ed,
The beauty of bass fishing, is no two bass fishermen fish the same way. You get to experiment and see what works best for you and your style, that's what determines what's in your box. To start out with, I'd reccommend some crankbaits, spinnerbaits, buzzbaits, poppers, and plastics (worms, senkos, brush hogs, maybe some grubs). That'll get you started. Just about EVERY type (notice I said TYPE not brand, or style...) of bass lure has it's place, ie spinnerbaits, jigs, jerkbaits etc. They Bassmasters you see on TV and any pro's or am's for that matter have a good selection of just about every lure type available because conditions dictate what lure will work at that given time, and you'd better have 10 of em in every color!!! Every lake has it's colors, but on the senko side, you can't go wrong with watermelon seed, watermelon/red flake or just plain watermelon. Those are my 3 favorites for the senko. Different guys swear by different senko colors, but I like those (you can search the archives on ncbf.com for senko colors and get a good selection). On the more traditional side, crankbaits are generally shad imitating or crawdad imitating. Sometimes you'll go with chartreuse, or bluegill, or chrome, or something like that, it's also a confidence thing, but mostly they're shad or crawdad. The classic jig color is black/blue. Brown is also a good one. Spinnerbaits are easy, chartreuse and white. Can't go wrong, those are the two almost exclusive colors (except for night fishing, then it's black) for spinnerbaits. The tricky part is blade configuration, colorado blades have more thump while willow leaf blades have more flash. Follow the same rule for buzzbaits, chartreuse, white, and black at night (although I do like that delta special, red and black from rodstrainers, during the day too). Poppers are normally shad imitating, you can't really stray too far from that. Now, plastics. Again, some of this is a confidence thing, and there aren't many "set" colors for plastics. They're probably the most variable baits as far as color choice goes. Often it's just "oh, this one looks sweet", or anything that catches your eye. I'd reccommend buying some grubs or worms in some colors that look good to you, fish em, see what works for ya and go from there. If you find that purple's getting bit for ya, look for different purple baits, or baits with purple accents, or stuff like that. I'd say purple is the most common worm color, but it's not set in stone. There's just soooo many colors for plastics, you can't really designate certain colors as "classic" worm colors because of the huge selection. So that's kinda something you get to mess around with. As for LM ID, there's really only northern and florida strain largemouth. The northerns tend to be more aggressive but don't get as big but the floridas tend to get bigger but are wiser. It's tough to distinguish between the two physically, I heard something about their eyes, like pure floridas have solid black eyes while northerns or northern/florida hyprids have gold rims. Then there's spotted bass which look a lot like largemouth only with samller mouths, and they are much smaller, and have teeth on their tongues. And smallies are easy to identify. Ok, I'm done.
-Brian
844, short list er... long list
Posted by swimbait, Mon Feb-12-01 06:59 PM
Ed
Here's a good short list for you

jigs! = 1/2oz and 3/8oz rattle back jigs in black and brown

trailers = 3"x1" super pork black and brown, yamamoto 5" twin tail grubs in brown with purple flake and black with blue flake

trailers that will work by themselves also = black w/ red flake brush hog and watermelon red flake brush hog, full size and baby

buzzbait = strike king jr buzzbait, get gammie trailer hooks

spinnerbait = I don't fish blades much, nichols spinners are good

worms = 7" power worm in tequila sunrise and brown, 4 inch greenie weenie straight tail

drop shot worms = 4" robo worm in aarons magic, whitmer's no name worms (on umaxco.com)

crankbaits = 1/4oz speed trap chrome/white/blue color is good, so is chartreuse/blue back. Also Norman deep little N, and Bomber 7A in crawdad.

Trout Plugs = 9 Inch MS Slammer in dark trout color for obvious reasons.

Swimbaits = 5" green sardine fish trap, brown with tan belly 5" big hammer

Topwater = zara spook, either clear shad looking one, or black.

Pop-r's = Rio and Rio Rico, pick a color.

Rip Baits = Lucky craft Pointer 100, pick a color

rattle traps = 1/2oz chrome/blue, 3/4oz chrome black and Lucky Craft LV-500 in chartruese shad and red.

ok that list got a little long. Gives you something to try in each main category.

-Rob




845, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by brian, Mon Feb-12-01 07:10 PM
Dang Rob, you've got this guy throwin swimbaits and trout plugs already??? He said BASICS man!!! Have you lost sight of all that's basic in bass fishing? I think these trout plugs are getting to your head. lol. You know it's too far when you consider 9" plugs basic bass fishing tools :-)
-Brian
846, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by swimbait, Tue Feb-13-01 06:02 AM
Brian
what do you mean I've lost sight of the basics, I never had sight of the basics in the first place! I do like to fish jigs and cranks, but for the most part I try to do stuff that isn't considered the "normal" way to bass fishin. Bass will hit a lot of funky stuff, sometimes better than the usual stuff, just because they haven't seen it before.
That said, I don't hesitate to use brush hogs and worms and whatnot if I have to.
847, Opposite
Posted by , Wed Feb-14-01 05:30 AM
You have the exact Opposite thinking as me.I try to stick to the basic's and not get caught up in the hype of new stuff,just getting me throwing a senko was a huge step and totally against what I beleive in.Neither of us right or wrong just diffrent thinking.This should make us a better team this year for WON Bass.
848, RE: Opposite
Posted by swimbait, Wed Feb-14-01 06:24 AM
I think you are right John. Having me throwing the wierd stuff and you throwing the regular stuff, one of us is going to catch them and figure it out. I know I could have used you at Margarita 'cause I know you could have caught some on that blade or on your money reaps. Just giving you a bad time =)
But seriously, despite my talk, in the bass-n-tubes tourneys I did well in last year I caught my fish only on the traditional stuff like brush hogs, buzzbaits, speed traps, and senkos and never a fish on swimbaits or trout plugs. Just had to adjust to the conditions on the delta and on naci.
Bass fishing is different from so many other kinds of fishing, because there are so many possible ways to get bit, and figuring out how is the name of the game.

849, RE: Opposite
Posted by , Wed Feb-14-01 06:47 AM
I feel bad enough already about Margarita,mainly because I know my trolling motor would have lasted all day.

I am getting pumped for Naci got most of my stuff ready last night.Tonight I will remove my tauno cover off my truck then I will be ready.

Its not going to be easy for you to defend the Naci title,I believe I have 2 or 3 wins there.(in know way am i talking smack,just wanted you to be aware of the odds,har)

Between the 2 of us we will find a way to get on 'em at Clear
850, RE: Opposite
Posted by swimbait, Wed Feb-14-01 06:51 AM
yeah buddy
we'll see if their hittin that wiggle wart this weekend or not! At least now I got my kickboat, I have a chance to run with you guys if the reaction bite is on.
851, RE: Kickboat
Posted by , Wed Feb-14-01 10:14 AM
It came in huh?Did ya get me a livewell pump?
852, RE: Kickboat
Posted by swimbait, Wed Feb-14-01 11:33 AM
yeah I have it. 18 bucks. I will post pics of my setup tonight hopefully on the bnt board. It's a sweet boat. My livewell fit perfect on it. I'm building the rod holders tonight. That should be the last thing to do before naci.
853, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by Wade, Mon Feb-12-01 07:43 PM
What these guys have said is pretty much GOLDEN, but don't forget your 3" swimbaits, especially any deep bodied silvery ones to imitate shad. Also don't forget my fave, a deer hair jig with a 3 or 5" curly tailed grub under the hair. Used White w/ Salt-n-Pepper grub to imitate shad and Brown with any dark grub to imitate craws. I also like PowerCraws, just remeber to trim the worm part a little so your eyelet is at the end when the hookpoint is sitting right between the eyes, Texas rigged of course. BTW these can also be good for Goats in the salt.

Tight lines,
Wade
854, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by , Tue Feb-13-01 12:51 PM
Thanks folks, you've confirmed what I've slowly been adding to my arsenal. Too bad I don't have room for all the salt water stuff I have, let alone the new fresh stuff. Maybe my inlaws will move out and give us the house. Then I'd have room, and wouldn't have to deal w/ them either. Yeah, like that's gonna happen anytime soon.

So, here's a follow up question. Are Senkos considered a slow speed bait? The reason I ask is I really like them for the spotties, but I fish them just like the zippers. But, for LM this superslow thing is going to kill me. I swear I either almost fall asleep, or my mind wanders and I miss the bite. I guess what I'm really asking is when are these things gonna start getting horny? A horny bass is a hooked bass in the salt, and it sounds like these LM are the same.

Amish Ed

Brian, what about the Dory? Give me a call.
855, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by brian, Tue Feb-13-01 02:00 PM
Ed,
I'm still wating to hear back from the guy about his schedule. I emailed him like Sunday night I think and he hasn't gotten back to me yet. I don't think he likes me... But, as soon as I hear from him I'll give you a ring. If nothing else, I think I'll try to come down and take a look at it on Monday cause I don't have school. Maybe we can hook up and do something, you busy on monday? As for the senkos, they're super versatile, you can do practically anything with em, but I think they're most effective on the drop, or just sitting. I too get bored of fishing senkos, just dead sticking em, so what I do is let em sink to the bottom let em sit there for maybe 10 seconds, give it a couple twitches, let it sit for another 10 seconds or so, and then I crank it in and do it again. In my experience, I've found that 90% of the fish will come on the drop, or right after that first movement, I catch very few fish at mid retrieve, so I decided it wasn't worth the boredom.
-Brian
856, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by , Tue Feb-13-01 08:24 PM
I think I could handle the 10 second pauses, maybe 4 of those then wind it in. I bought a new black blade for the pond, and some jigs and pigs. If I ever get some time to hit the pond then I'll give them a try. New Senkos will come after I work again. This is why I work a second job.

Monady night sounds good. Unfortunately, in Grad school they don't give us too many holidays and monday isn't one of them. But, if your up for it, we could night fish Long Beach (this is also where to park for free at the Fred Ho Show). I had really good luck there last time and the night bite seems overall the best time for that place according to others. Or, we could go out for dinner and then try the condo pond. Or, we could try Newport, but I doubt that would be worth the effort this time of year. Or we could meet at Anglers Marine in Anahiem and then hit Turners and just Ho out for a whileI'll probably be back home by 4 or 5. But, if my last meeting happens when I want it to, then maybe by 2 or 3. So, whadda ya think?

Amish Ed

Amish Ed
857, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by brian, Tue Feb-13-01 08:45 PM
GRRRRRR. Looks like I won't be coming down, check you email. The guy sold the boat today (I knew it'd go fast, it's not my fault, it's the fault of a couple parental units with poor investment skills...). But, when I come down for the FHS we should definitely do somethin. What are you doin that wed?
-Brian
858, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by , Tue Feb-13-01 09:57 PM
Again, sorry to hear about the boat (check your email). As for the first day of the show. I'd venture to say I'll be very sick that day. We'll talk more as the virus begins to eat at my brain.

Amish Ed
859, RE: short list er... long list
Posted by brian, Wed Feb-14-01 04:29 AM
I understand, I think I'm beginning to feel some symptoms as well... We'll talk later.
-Brian