For some fun reading check this out: www.casitaswater.org/fishpassagefacility/Robles%20BO.pdf

This is the biological opinion on the necessity to install the robles fish passage. This is now installed in the ventura river, and is part of the lake casitas water diversion.

At this time, they still have to move the fish from puddle to puddle, because they get stuck, and the birds eat them!

All this after spending the money on this thing.

From 1987-1992, the river never reached the ocean! That fact right there could have extincted the fish that spawned there?

I would like to challenge the authenticity of the fish population numbers they came up with. They base this whole thing on 1946 studies and flat out say they don't really have any data that in my opinion justifies this fish passage or the need to spend $11,000,000 to install this thing.

Can someone help us with determining the basis for which a species is determined to be endangered, and to what extent the government can infringe upon our recreational rights or wants to try and reestablish this species.

At what time did this species take residence in these streams? Perhaps they were an invasive species from the ocean which destroyed the fish that lived there first?

How do we know these fish are native? How do we know the autenthicity of the fish stocking in these rivers?

Has anyone ever challenged these groups? Maybe its time they get a taste of their own medicine.

Who checks the authenticity of their biological opinions?

Is there some sort of check and balance loop holes in which we can ask of this?

Sorry I am just rambling off the ideas in my head right now.

Today when I was out fishing, this was all I was thinking about. This and the fact that it was raining and cold as hell!

I hate to think of this as Eco-Freaks! I would like to work with groups to help preserve our fisheries. I would like to see our kids enjoy the same types of recreational opportunities I have. But at this rate, there will be nothing left. There has to be a balance struck. Our fisheries should not be jeopardized! To me, that is a greater injustice upon our environment.

Does anyone think, the loss of these things could form some type of litigation against these groups?

Just curious,
Brian