Yeah, Byron, ya GOTTA bust his chops,or it's like the fish N E V E R existed!! Of course we believe you, and that's the bitch of it all!! ><> ><> ><> Ummm,a 14lb'er in a TOURNAMENT? and a moron blows the whole deal? He's VERY , VERY lucky, your buddy knew better than to even TWITCH in that guy's direction or else he'd have PROBABLY have thrown his "partner" in the lake! and be hoarse for a week from the yelling..... GREAT RESTRAINT, G R E A T RESTRAINT.....