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brianThu Jun-21-01 12:51 PM
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#1475, "Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"


  

          

Camped at Cachuma with Brian and Zack on Sunday. We had some problems with getting a vehicle to launch the boat on Monday morning (and no slips on Sun. night) so come Monday morning we drove over to redrock. Hiked back into redrock and threw poppers, along with worms. Poppers seemed to be the ticket and we nailed the smallies for quite a while. Brian #2 actually stuck a couple nice fish, about 2lbs. Pretty surprising for redrock, as they're mostly the little 8"ers. We also saw a couple bigger smallies cruising and I had one literally jump 2 feet out of the water when attacking my popper. Not after I hooked it, mind you, but on the strike it just jumped way out of the water. It was really cool. I ended up farming it, but it was a nicer fish. The redear were in the mix, especially toward the end of the day. Brian slayed and probably had around 13 fish or so. Zack and I both had about 5 or 6 fish. All fish released, and if somebody wants to go back there, PLEASE release your fish. It's a really small area and can be dessimated very quickly. We saw one guy with what looked like a couple short smallies on a stringer amongst a bunch of bluegill, so we informed the ranger on the way out.

Monday night I had to go home to attend the Sanctuary Advisory Council meeting on Tuesday, but Brian and Zack fished. Zack caught his personal best fish at 4lbs. along with another 2lber I believe, while Kettler caught a bunch of little smallies and some keepers. He said every 15 yards of shoreline he'd catch a fish, so I guess it was pretty good...

Came back to the campsite on Tuesday night and was up on Wednesday morning at 5:45. We fished a bunch of different areas and it was pretty slow. Brian picked up a couple fish on topwater in the morning, but the topwater bite never really turned on. We heard of a crankbait bite so we went crankin for a little bit. We weren't getting bit too much, so as I was blankly staring at my tackle box I realized how much baby bass are in the water and that I have a 1/4 oz. baby bass rat-L-trap that I never use. So, I tied it on and proceeded to nail fish. Kettler soon tied on his only baby bass colored crankbait and we caught a few fish. I ended the day with 3 keepers and 3 shorts. All smallies, biggest only about 1 3/4lbs. for a grand total of 3.75lbs. for my 3 fish. Brian had 2 keepers I believe, one "rarjmow" and one "smarmow" both of the 1lb. variety. Zack probably had a legal fish, but I don't remember. We all caught quite a few little smallies mixed in with the keepers.

Wednesday night Zack had to leave and David came up this morning. We threw Rat-L-Traps all day long and caught a few fish, but it wasn't as good as yesterday. I had two legals, one barely 12 and one 13 inches. Kettler had 3 (I think, maybe 2... I'm tired), with one nice one a little over 2lbs. David got a legal and dominated the baby bass. I had 5 fish, counting shorts, David had 6 and Kettler had 7. So, pretty good fishin. Definite crankbait bite, and on the traps no less. We tried the crawdad colors a little bit cause that's what the fish were supposed to be eating, but they just chewed those baby bass colors. Wish I had more of em... Never thought I'd see a baby bass Rat-L-Trap bite at Cachuma, but it happened... Fish seemed to be on rocky shorelines, but we caught fish in the weeds too. Ten Pound Point and the surrounding area produced for us, as well as similar areas.
-Brian

  

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RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, J. George Kier (Guest), Jun 24th 2001, #1
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, Leapin' Bass, Jun 25th 2001, #2
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, Matt W (Guest), Jun 27th 2001, #3
      RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, swimbait, Jun 27th 2001, #4
           That is so cool!, Leapin' Bass, Jun 28th 2001, #5
                RE: That is so cool!, matt w (Guest), Jun 28th 2001, #6
                     RE: That is so cool!, Leapin' Bass, Jun 28th 2001, #7
                     RE: That is so cool!, salmonoid, Jun 28th 2001, #8
                          RE: That is so cool!, Leapin' Bass, Jun 28th 2001, #9
                          RE: That is so cool!, Wade at work2 (Guest), Jul 02nd 2001, #27
                          RE: That is so cool!, Hawgsticker (Guest), Jun 29th 2001, #10
                               RE: That is so cool!, Leif, Jun 29th 2001, #11
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, SB born (Guest), Jun 29th 2001, #12
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, matt W (Guest), Jun 29th 2001, #13
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, swimbait, Jun 29th 2001, #14
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, Phil, Jun 29th 2001, #15
RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21, salmonoid, Jun 30th 2001, #18
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J. George Kier (Guest)Sun Jun-24-01 04:42 PM
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#1476, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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I once caught 22 smallies hiking from Red Rock to the dam.
Mostly on spinners or small spoons.
Biggest was about 2 lbs that day.
Maybe half a dozen or more above a pound
Once took a four or five pounder from one of the deep pools.
It can be a great place.
Don't overlook the broad shallow pools, they can hold nice fish.

  

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Leapin' BassMon Jun-25-01 05:27 AM
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Yep, we've been nailing the nice fish there since 1988. The key is to hike up before light and fish the pools before all the littering a-holes show up. We usually are out of there by 9:00 am. My personal best is 18 inches (both largemouth and smallmouth). If you can ignore the litter that the Forest Service doesn't seem to care about it is one of the more beautiful places around here to fish.

Tagged a couple smallies years ago and found one that moved over a mile upstream in less than a week! That's about the time I also discovered the shallow flat areas will also hold fish.

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Matt W (Guest)Wed Jun-27-01 10:12 AM
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#1478, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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about two years ago i caught a small mouth Bass up there, it was about 12" Long (I know big whoop!) but the cool thing was it was tagged the tag was about 1 1/2 inches long Green and said "please release me" I wonder if it was one of the fish you had caght earlier?
I am planning on going to Red rock this week after work, i will let you know how i do.

Matt W

(Practicing catch and release)

  

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swimbaitWed Jun-27-01 10:38 AM
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#1479, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Hey that's cool! That's gotta be Pete.

  

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Leapin' BassThu Jun-28-01 04:51 AM
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Yep, that was me.

Matt - do you remember the tag number?

I have narrowed it down to two fish given the size and that I only tagged a few with the "Please Release Me" tags. Anyway, When I caught the fish they were in what I call the "Fourth Pool" (where the old rope swing used to be back in the late eighties before the tree fell down). They were caught at 7:45 and 8:00 am on June 25, 1997. I recorded them at around 13 inches but I usually guess when they're that small so I'm not keeping them out of the water for longer than necessary. They were both caught on the R & R Strokers Beavertail Grub color 000.

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matt w (Guest)Thu Jun-28-01 06:04 AM
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Hi Pete,

I didn’t see a number on the tag. I know the pool you are talking about, that’s not were I caught this bass. He/she was about ¾-1 mile down stream.
I will try to describe the hole. As you walk past red rock pool the trail crosses the creek and goes up the right side of the canyon, after a while there is what I call the first pool long wide and shallow. There is a new trail on the right that goes over the last part of the ridge and back to the creek. The first hole after you get back to the creek is where I caught the fish. (I call it second hole) its befor you cross the creek again.
It happened late afternoon on ether a popper or a small Rebel Crawdad. I cut off the front treble hook and bend down the barbs on the trailing one. When I let him go he was in good shape. I am so amazed that these fish survive the winter storms. They must get moved around a lot…
If we ever meet up let me tell you about getting the crap scared out of us by the Beavers on night while fishing that creek… Yep I am scared of wild Beaver…J

Also I think I met you Fathers day Sunday at the Launch ramp I was walking my Dog (Chocolate lab) and you were going back to the car with your float tube. I asked how the fishing was you said great… I should have stopped you and asked a few more questions I keep thinking about getting out and fishing the harbor, off a friends Kayak she keeps over on Marina one.

Matt W

PS: I wraped the trout rod I use, the blank is a piece of junk I bought at the Feed hall for two bucks. but it sure is cool fishing with somthing you made yourself..

  

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Leapin' BassThu Jun-28-01 06:44 AM
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LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-01 AT 10:50 AM (PST)

Matt,

I know the pool you're talking about. I call it the third pool. That pool is the furthest pool down that I've caught largemouth. I've caught smallmouth all the way down to the White Rock picnic area.

I started fishing there in 1988. After a couple "sunfish" only trips I caught an 8 inch smallmouth. I had never seen a smallmouth before but new it was a bass. The next weekend my cousin and I went up there before dark and did very well on decent sized bass (up to 16 inches). I'd have to say the R & R Strokers Beavertail Grub and the Rebel Crawfish are the best lures. It's amazing how much the river has changed in the past 13 years yet the bass remain.

I screwed up. The rope swing pool is what I call the "fifth pool". There is a small hidden pool just up river from the pool you caught the fish in that we call the "fourth". I have found 8 "pools" that hold decent bass from time to time not counting the pool below the dam. The seventh pool is my favorite - it is where I got my biggest redrock largemouth (18 inches).

I got my biggest redrock smallmouth (18 inches also) from the "second pool". That wide flat one right before the pool you're talking about.

The beavers scared the hell out of us the first morning we discovered them also. I still have friends here in town who do not believe me when I say there are beavers up there.

All this talk makes me want to get back up there. The ocean has had my attention too long.

I didn't fish on Father's Day (at least I don't remember fishing Father's Day :)). I did fish that Saturday (16th) with live bait for the first time from my tube.

Pete

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salmonoidThu Jun-28-01 11:20 AM
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I am not yet concerned about beaver attacks, but perhaps if you posted your story about the red rock area beavers I would become concerned when I next fish there. Being new to the area I do wonder if bears or mountain lions are a possible threat between red rock and Gibralter dam (or, for that matter, between red rock and the Paradise pools area) especially during hours or seasons when the angler is the only one there? (Rattlesnakes too?)

Can any locals provide information about such wildlife? Thanks.




  

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Leapin' BassThu Jun-28-01 05:58 PM
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Do beavers attack? I've never heard of that. I've float tubed in many waters back east that are filled with beavers and never had any problems.

As far as other wild life I heard things that freaked me out a little when I would hike back there alone but never saw anything except a skunk early one morning.

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Wade at work2 (Guest)Mon Jul-02-01 08:10 AM
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In my life time I've seen 6 Mountain Lion, 4 Blackbear, over a dozen Beaver, over 30 Wild pig, and many Deer, Skunks, 'possums, Raccoons and snakes. The only ones I've had trouble with were a buck that was at Del Valle Lake and a Raccon at Henry W. Coe state park.
The Buck was tending 3 does in the heat of the rut and my dad and I got between him and the does. Dad was shoved into the water and had to get 5 stitches low in his arm pit. The buck obviously took us as a threat to his breeding rights over the does.
As for the Raccoon, I didn't get hurt by it but I couldve and it would have been my unwitting fault. I had taken shelter under a burned out Oak tree at Mahoney pond when a hail storm started. The 'coon was coming back to it's den of kits in the same tree. I had gotten between her and her babies and she was ready to kill me or die trying. Luckly I got out of there with only a bite to my backpack which I used to keep a barrier between us, and she went to check on them.
The moral of these 2 incidents is be aware and don't seperate a group of animals. All my other encounters with animals have had the same conclusion; as soon as they became aware of me they maintained a safe distance or vacated the area immediately.
You have little to fear of any healthy wild animal, so long as you give them there space.

Tight lines,
Wade

  

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Hawgsticker (Guest)Fri Jun-29-01 05:19 AM
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I dont think you will have to worry about the beavers much. I have encountered rattlesnakes there though. Generally they wont bother you unless you step on them or really intrude on their space. They love to sun themselves on the warm rocks. So watch your step and pay attention to you surroundings and you will be fine. I am going to make a trip there this weekend. Hope they're biting!!!!

Tight Lines,

Clay

  

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LeifFri Jun-29-01 06:20 AM
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what's biting, the snakes or the fish? lol, sorry couldn't resist.

  

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SB born (Guest)Fri Jun-29-01 10:01 AM
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Brian, if you want I'll pay to have a pamphlet put out on just how great the fishing has been up there. Hey maby we could do a video. Maby bring a pro up there for further media exposure. Hey I know, lets have a competition: "the red rock bass-off" or something. Soon every punk and his grandpa will be bombing every pool!!! Oh the romance of an over-crowded fishin hole! As we drive home with our car windows down we be able to smell all the sun fish roasting over open flames! "Meal Worms n' Night Crawlers! Fuggun Ayae Muyn!" Now we can catch 1/78th as many fish as we would have if we had just.......................... KEPT OUR MOUTHS SHUT!!!!!

  

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matt W (Guest)Fri Jun-29-01 10:50 AM
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Went fishing last night with my wife we had a great time, we did not catch any fish, the bugs ate us alive, I fell in the water while pissing on a Rattlesnake. Then we ran into Zack at the lowest pool on our way out, and his German Sheppard bit me. I wont be going back…
Seriously we did see more trash than we could carry out, we filled a small backpack. It was worse the closer we got to the road, (figures!)

To SB born, your point was well taken.

Matt W

Fifth Generation Santa Barbarian planning on fishing with his six-generation son and daughter

  

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swimbaitFri Jun-29-01 10:50 AM
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#1490, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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SB Born
I lived there too, for 21 years. I understand the fragility of places like Red Rock and the last thing I would like to see is people over running it and killing what few fish are in there. But like I've said before (like here for example)

http://www.calfishing.com/dcforum/saltreports/550.html

People come to this site to check fishing reports, get news and info and find out where the good fishing is. If no body posted about where they went and what they did, then what good would the forum be? I've followed fishing sites on the net since 1996 and all the sites that have gotten big like ncbf and allcoast have fallen victim to a big drop in good information sharing. Why? Because people don't want to share because they're worried about other people coming and over-running their stuff. I hear that, and I understand why it happens, but I won't be a part of it. You'll never see me holding out info and I don't think you'll ever see Brian holding out info either. That's not what this site is about. So, like I've said before, lurk all you want, but don't complain if somebody gives an honest fishing report about your favorite spot. Maybe if you posted more and had a voice on the forum I would respect your opinion more, but just to show up and get ticked doesn't say much for you.

-Rob Belloni
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PhilFri Jun-29-01 01:26 PM
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#1491, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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I don't understand why everyone keeps getting ticked off because of brians reports.He's what keeps this site interesting and I always look forward to reading his reports.And besides I live up here in Morro Bay and I have heard about red rock and how crowded it can get.I don't think anyone who hasn't heard about it already is going to find out about it on this site.
-PHIL

  

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salmonoidSat Jun-30-01 07:06 AM
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I agree with you, Rob. If more locals gave more information about more saltwater and freshwater spots, that would spread any increased fishing around. I do not think that "punks" and "skinheads", who rightly concern others on this thread, use calfishing to choose their fishing or troublemaking destinations. Nor do I think that a major portion of the cyberspace world is about to converge on this County because of fishing spots mentioned here. First, redrock is mentioned in at least one fishing book that I know. Second, there are much better places for smallmouth on the Westcoast than the SYRiver.

My son and I are new to Santa Barbara but we fished redrock long before this thread began. After all, redrock is part of a NATIONAL Forest. We found good holes there by knowing how to read a river, not by reading posts. We leave no litter and clean up other's litter, quite possibly litter left by locals; not that I have anything against locals, because I too am now one.


Rob, your philosophy for a fishing website is best for the longrun viability of this site.

  

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SBborn2 (Guest)Sat Jun-30-01 06:23 PM
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#1493, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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How cool is everyone about "sharing" anyway? Can I borrow a girlfriend or a car or anything?

And yes, Robs philosophy is good for the long term viability of the WEB SITE.

  

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salmonoidSun Jul-01-01 09:44 AM
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The analogy of a "girlfriend" and a "car" on the one hand and the red rock area on the other does not hold. Red rock is a public domain, a part of a national forest supported by taxpayers and users. I hope that nobody's girlfriend is a public domain (supported by users) and that everyone has a legal exclusive title to one's car. Besides, I hear of no complaints on this thread about how we are all "sharing" the SY River without the express consent or delight of the original longtime locals, the Chumash Native Americans.

Those on different sides of this issue are apparently all decent well-intentioned anglers. And, I do respect the other point of view. I must admit to not being very forthcoming in the past about some "secret" spots I know of in other parts of the State when I thought that the area was too small to take the pressure. "SB Local" has a point, and his opinion is a natural and understandable one that should be seriously considered. Let us agree to disagree, and to keep sharing conflicting opinions.


  

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PhilSun Jul-01-01 12:55 PM
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#1495, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Yeah share our girlfriends I laughed at that too.I went back and tried to find were it said this was a swingers/fishing website.
-PHIL

  

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Zach (Guest)Sun Jul-01-01 07:46 PM
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Members of both sides of this argument are the product of a successful genocide. The "conservatives" as well as "liberals" of this subject, unless of Native American descent, should only fish in Western Europe according to salmonoid's point.
But seriously, to me fishing (and a fishing spot) has the same sort of appeal that a girlfriend or a valued possession might. I hold it as dear to my heart as I would a girl or a car. "Federal Property" is just a label put in place by an imperialistic government/race/european culture. It ain't a justification to advertise. Not a call to popularize. How did Red Rock succumb to the label of "Federal Land?" INFORMATION about the New World swept across Europe about the beauty of the West, Europeans took over and made it into a back yard for the new residents, and thus far "private interprise" has kept its thieving fingers out of it. (Although various "government institutions" are treating it more and more privately.) Anyway, with anglo POPULARIZATION of California, did the quality of Red Rock improve? I sure don't think so as I trip over beer cans and swim into broken off fishing line. I don't think the Chumash think so. More fishermen = more injury. Folks who dont care who fishes the spot justify their popularization antics with words like "public" and "federal" but they are all just words. I'm acting on feelings. The Chumash lost their arguement and I guess I will to. I love that spot. "Love" has greater meaning to me than "Public" or "Federal." I, like some Native tribes, am going to protect what I love.

  

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#1497, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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BALL ZACK!!!! Glad you made it to the site... I think...
-Brian

  

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Zach (Guest)Fri Jun-29-01 08:29 PM
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To Swimbait and Phil

I agree with SB born on this one and will roust Brian for talking about our trip last week. I buy into the "out of sight out of mind" principle. If Brian puts the buzz in the air, the spot will get more pressure. Just like if Santa Barbara hotels spend more $$ on advertising, they will corner more of the pre-existing and fixed tourist market. If positive info on the spot is brought up, more folks will go who would have otherwise gone to cachuma.

Yes I think this site is a great forum for spreading the good word about our common interest. But not all fishermen are wonderful people. Brians post does not discriminate between the jerks, and non-littering, catch-and-release fishermen. Last night I ran into Matt and his wife. Two great people. They packed out trash for christs sake! But I've also ran into skinheads who threatened to "f*(k me up" as they called me a "f@gg0t" and chucked beer cans at me. Phil,,,, skin heads fish too. Im sorry I just don't go there to find out how good it is so i can tell the world. I go to fish. Hey, if I see someone up there who asks me how I did, I'll tell him. If the person's nice I'll let him borrow my rig for a few casts. But I'm not going out of my way to prostitute Red Rock to the County. Is no secret worth keeping?

  

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LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-01 AT 10:12 AM (PST)

Hey zach, I understand where your coming from and it was probably none of my business to voice my opinion about a fishing spot that i've never been to.The reason I did though was becuase i'm afraid if people see someone getting harassed for posting info on a trip it might discourage them from sharing info, and again thats why were here right.
-PHIL

  

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Phil

Hey thanks for the reply. This site is sort of a catch 22. It's great to find killer new spots and methods to catch fish as well as meet good friends. On the same note its a bummer to get all stoked on hitting your favorette point, only to find two or three boats camped out on it the entire morning. Then again you could try a new spot you heard about on Calfishing.

I feel protective about Red Rock however. It really is fragile and it can't handle mutch pressure. Brian Long, Brian Kettler and I, on our trip last week saw a guy with a grip of sun fish and what we think were a few short smallies. I have seen guys poach like 30 trout in a few hours and leave a bunch of trash. Are we just operating under the assumption that the jerks can't use computers? When we post messeges up here, we are telling some people we whould never even want to SEE up at the river. That is what bums me out.

To Swimbait,

On a more hypocritical note, thanks for the info on swimbaits, OOOH YEAH!!! I nailed a bunch of smallies and a 3.05 large mouth up at Lopez during the Santa Barbara bass club tourney last month.

  

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brianSun Jul-01-01 10:05 PM
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#1501, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Zack,
I too understand your point. I know I, and Pete, give a lot of reports on spots that people probably wouldn't normally hear about (the wsb in the harbor, goleta beach, red rock, etc.) and often we turn a lot of people on to hot bites. I support Rob's "theory" of holding nothing back, and in so doing I often even tell people what to use, where to use it and how to use it. We don't normally ask anything in return, however, sometimes when we know an area can't take a lot of pressure, or whatever, we strongly encourage catch and release, or to abide by the DFG regs, or throw back the squeakers that are barely 28" or barely 22". That's it. I personally do not think that's too much to ask. Granted, there will be the occasional poacher who may find this site and set up a gill net in front of the bait receiver. I guess that's a chance we take. This site really isn't that big (yet) and there are much bigger sites that people can get more information from. So, don't be under the impression that once it's on the internet everybody and his mom knows about it. I guarantee you just as many people will know if I tell Paul (and I do) something at Harbor Tackle. He'll in turn tell guys that come into the shop and they tell people etc. The difference there is that it's more selective on the people who know about it. So, I guess all we can do is push catch and release. Like Rob said, I'm not gonna stop reporting (and I too don't know why people have such a problem with my reports... ;-)) so, since I'm giving "so much" information out, all I'm asking is to catch and release the bass, and follow the law after that. That's it. On occassion I may ask that folks don't bother with the barely legal fish at the harbor. This issue of giving out info vs. keeping secrets has come up more than once on this site. There's really no way to avoid it. If I were to stop giving reports, and everybody else were to stop, there'd be no website. On the other hand, if we all continue giving reports, will there be no more spots??? I don't think so. You'd be surprised how few people show up in the harbor that have heard about it through the website. We posted all last year after just about every trip, and I've only met MAYBE half a dozen people that have heard about it through the site. So, things are getting a little blown out of proportion, and I think you need to go ahead and have that TPS report on my desk by Monday, and that'd be great... j/k (inside joke...)
-Brian

  

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salmonoidMon Jul-02-01 07:36 AM
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#1502, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Well said, Brian. However, perhaps my position is too legalistic and the other position is too emotional. The more "realistic" point of view might be between these two. In this regard there is something about which both sides should be concerned: poaching at red rock. I am very irked about the report on this thread about the poacher seen there. There must certainly be other poachers. Does anybody know if reporting this at the time to a Forest Ranger does any good? Do they care, and , if they do, are they authorized to cite the poacher and seize the fish, or is this strictly left to DFG officers?


  

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Brian #2Mon Jul-02-01 09:14 AM
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#1503, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Allll Rightttttt.....All i have to say is red rock cant take that much pressure, and if your going to post any report on how you did i'd make sure that the area you fished can take the pressure. I mean lets face it...Small Mouth at Red Rock just dont grow on trees, and there isn't a hole lot of them so I think its just not right to go out there and harrass the Fu*k out of them! Im not going to go up there for a damn long time because i personally dont want to see that spot getting beat to ##### and making it as tough as cachuma. I mean if i want to go fish and i end up having to drop shot in the middle of the afternoon to catch barely legal fish at red rock i might as well go to cachuma! I mean those fish up there take enough abuse from the barni dumb sh*ts so whats the point in putting more pressure on a spot that is getting fished by every no-brained retard in the county. I mean if you want to go ahead and publicize a spot that is that small, go for it, but when the fish arnt there anymore because more and more people found out about the fishing up there and the damn river people find out that there's actually a fish up there called a small mouth and not just planter trout and learn to fish with things other than Power Bait and they start to rape that river of all of the small mouth in it because of the fact that they cant concider themseleves men if they dont come back with fish (I think they are trying to make up for something they're lacking, and size might be an issue) and then all you bitches will come crying and complaing that the only place to fish in SB for fresh water is cachuma, and that it's too tough to fish up there with out a boat and na na na na na all im gonna say is quit your b*tchin' you b*tches cause its your fault that you dumb sh*ts pimped a hole that could only take a few more customers than it already had, and that's why the fishin' went sh*tty and the pussy is all dried up. Maybe then all the retards will realize what they've done, but then they'll realize that there is no way to reverse it (like they always do) and that they've f*cked up the fishing for everyone, not only themselves, because lets face it...the more people that fish up there the more the word will get out weather its through the internet or not. So all i have to say is dont Pinmp it if its not strong enough to satisfy all of the customers!

Brian #2

PS:OH yeah and Brian #1 about all that you can catch fish out from under people, well that's not gonna work if there ain't no fish left.

PPS:Hope you all understand what i wrote because im working on about 2 hrs of sleep, so it probably came out as a big jumble of words but i think you'll get the point anyways.

  

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brianMon Jul-02-01 09:51 AM
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#1504, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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"PS:OH yeah and Brian #1 about all that you can catch fish out from under people, well that's not gonna work if there ain't no fish left."

Dude, what in the fu(k are you talking about??? You sure did get two hours of sleep... I don't think I ever said anything along those lines, so I have no idea where that's coming from.

On another note, I think we need to establish some ground rules for the forum. No posting if you're drunk (Brandon...) and no posting if you have less than 5 hours of sleep (Brian...). I've said it numerous times already (maybe you didn't read the whole thread or something), but I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. There's no need to keep saying what will happen if everybody in the county fishes red rock. I know what will happen. There's also no need for all those choice words, let's try to keep it civil. There's two issues here that are worth discussion, but if we can't keep it to the issues it'll turn to $hit.

I think a lot of you guys are under the impression that once it's on the internet everybody in the city knows about it. That's ridiculous. How many hits does this website get a month? Week? From Santa Barbara? Probably not enough to make a major impact on any body of water. And, dude, how long do you think people have been fishing at red rock??? My freakin grandpa fished at red rock. IT'S NO SECRET. Anybody who wanted to know where to catch smallmouth would be told to go to red rock. People aren't exactly keeping red rock as a secret jewel of the Los Padres National Forest. Everybody knows about it. Just look how many people are up there every weekend. Do you really think that a single post on a single small website will prompt poachers to repeatedly rape the area of bass??? NOT EVEN.

Once again, I understand where you're coming from. By no means am I condoning the keep or kill of bass in any way shape or form. I'd hate to see red rock dry up just as much as you would, but it's been sustaining itself for YEARS and a single post on this website will not change that. I guarantee it.
-Brian

  

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SBborn2 (Guest)Mon Jul-02-01 06:12 PM
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#1505, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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I love it. Both guys who went with Brian to red rock are pissed off at him! Brian, you small mouth swinger! zip it!

  

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Zach (Guest)Mon Jul-02-01 01:10 PM
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#1506, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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Well the poachers I saw ended up getting caught. They were fishing at the second crossing. The one with an expansive and shallow pool to the left of the bridge that pours over into the deeper pool with some cover on it. Two dudes, on the same day as a trout stock used power bait to slay like 30 trout. It was sad but they got grilled. This was about 4 years ago. Brian, my arch rival and respected friend reported the guy we spoke of who had a bunch of dinks on his stringer, but we don't know what happened.

I have an article about a possible total closure of red rock to allow for the steelhead to come back. Anyone know anything about that?

  

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Wade at work2 (Guest)Tue Jul-03-01 11:55 AM
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#1507, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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It was
>sad but they got grilled.

Maybe I'm not clear on this, it sounds like your sad a poacher got caught. I say let them (proverbially) dangle. If they did the crime they can do the time (or whatever).

As for the issue of information dissemination, those who are going to be checking this sight (I'd like to think) are for the most part morally respectful fishermen. If Brian were posting this info at the local K-mart or Wal-mart next to the pre tied leaders and power-goo, that would be a different matter. And BTW it's probably already there in the form of a "Guide to Fishing in California". I'd like to think the people who post and read here are the kind that fill a shopping bag with other peoples trash when they see more than 2 beer cans at their favorite spot.
Yes there are going to be low life waistes of space that manage to screw up just about anything if given a chance, but I doubt posting things here is going to bring the pillaging hordes. Of course that's just my $.02.

Tight lines,
Wade

PS: If we meet on the water and you need a bag for trash, ask, I keep some in my pack and some in my car. I hope you'll think about doing the same.


  

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ZorbacciTue Jul-03-01 06:34 PM
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#1508, "RE: Cachuma Lake, June 17-21"
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"Sad" (30 trout dying..........)

"But they got grilled" (means they got caught. A good thing.)

Sorry for any lack of clarity. And yeah, when ya see me, pass over one of those bags so I can huff some gasoline and possibly forget about this post.

Zach

  

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salmonoidTue Jul-03-01 11:56 AM
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Do you know if the Forest Ranger or DFG nailed the poachers?

  

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