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fongsterFri Feb-21-03 01:51 PM
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#9103, "Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
Fri Feb-21-03 01:59 PM by fongster

          

Fished friday, 2/21. I caught and released 10 BSPs with five at 6-7 inches and the other 5 at 10-13 inches (they were fatties). I caught them all on the new Big Hammer 1 3/4 inch perch grubs in moto/red and clear/red flake on a carolina rig. I used some of the Pro-Cure Sand Shrimp bait sauce--it's orange colored and seemed to work well as I was hit hard after first applying it. Water is still pretty cold, was tolerable in shorts and sandals once sun was higher.

I tried a new hooking method. Instead of threading the grub on a #6 baitholder hook, I nose-hooked it on a #4 Hayabusa Octopus hook (like an Owner or Gamakatsu SSW style). It's the way guys nose hook dropshot baits for freshwater bass, but I still fished the carolina rig. I hooked it 2 ribs back (about a 1/4 inch) from the front. I found it to have a little more action since the grub can swing back and forth on the hook. I got bit at least as good as with the old hooking method. Now the big benefit: NO LEADER TWIST! I'm not sure why, but I didn't get a single twisted, curled or kinked leader today. I think the offset bend that baitholder hooks come with may cause the grub to twist on the retrieve. Not so with nose hooking on a short shank like the octopus-style. Also, the grub can't be pulled down or slip down over the bend and barb anymore like with the baitholder.

Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
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RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, chuckwagon, Feb 21st 2003, #1
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, fongster, Feb 21st 2003, #2
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, TBrumfield, Feb 21st 2003, #3
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, PHISHuntR, Feb 21st 2003, #4
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, fongster, Feb 21st 2003, #5
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, tsurikichi, Feb 22nd 2003, #6
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, Aztecwin, Feb 22nd 2003, #7
      RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, fongster, Feb 22nd 2003, #8
           RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, Aztecwin, Feb 24th 2003, #9
           RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, PHISHuntR, Feb 24th 2003, #13
           RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, bearcat, Feb 24th 2003, #10
                RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, Aztecwin, Feb 24th 2003, #11
                     RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, fongster, Feb 24th 2003, #12
                          RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, AMP2564, Feb 25th 2003, #14
                          Pics of New Hammer Grubs, FishingFiend, Feb 25th 2003, #15
                               RE: Pics of New Hammer Grubs, fongster, Feb 25th 2003, #16
                                    RE: Pics of New Hammer Grubs, bowlboy, Feb 26th 2003, #17
                          RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, bearcat, Feb 27th 2003, #18
                               RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, fongster, Feb 27th 2003, #19
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, perch seeker, Sep 16th 2004, #20
RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results, TBrumfield, Sep 17th 2004, #21

chuckwagonFri Feb-21-03 02:07 PM
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#9105, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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How about posting a pic of the new grubs, as they're not on the manufacturer's website yet.

  

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fongsterFri Feb-21-03 02:23 PM
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#9106, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Maybe Pete the owner can take a digital shot of them and post as I don't have a camera. I can try and scan some and post, lol. I believe they will be available at the Fred Hall show.

David


Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
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Pro-Cure Scents
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TBrumfieldFri Feb-21-03 02:38 PM
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#9107, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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I may have to try those big hammer's...good going on the perch!

  

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PHISHuntRFri Feb-21-03 03:49 PM
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#9109, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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..Nice job on the Bardies! sounds like you got some nice ones! Ive been meaning to get down there and and get in on some..The new grub hookin deal sounds cool and seems to have eliminated alot of those little, minor frustrations :) of carolina riggin..IT totally makes sense!.Probably keeps the hook a little further up the grub which in turn might decrease the chances of those ocasional gut hook fish!! Man sounds good! Id bet some tiny circle hooks would work excelent!! And alot better then threadin it on anyway?and would all come in the lip or corner..the new grubs gotta be sweet seein your guys swimbaits are KILLER! Ill have to peep em at the Hall show..what else is gonna be goin on at the Hammer booth?? You workin? .....
KEEP EM BENT!!!!!!

PHISHuntR

  

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fongsterFri Feb-21-03 04:02 PM
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#9110, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Hi, that's a good thought you have about no deep hooking. I noticed that all my fish were perfectly hooked just behind the upper lip or in the corner with this method. Much easier to deal with, especially on the smaller fish. As far as the show goes, there are some new colors for the swimbaits and they should be featured there. I will be at the booth thurs, fri and sun. Come by and say hi if you are there those days.

Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
www.swimbait.com
Pro-Cure Scents
www.pro-cure.com

  

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tsurikichiSat Feb-22-03 08:12 PM
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#9116, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Hey there fongster,

After reading your post, I did as I said on a different board/post, and bent out the off-set in some circle hooks, pinned the grubs by the nose, and fished a carolina slider rig. Super weedless and little twist. Caught some walleye perch, big ol jack smelt, etc. in the bargin on the inside, Alamitos bay.

I don't freshwater bass fish but that technique sure works great in the salt. Thanks

JapanRon

  

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AztecwinSat Feb-22-03 08:24 PM
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#9117, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Fongster,

I wish I had read your post about grubs before I left the house this morning for some Perchin'.

I'm interested in those new Big Hammer 1.75" grubs and I'm going to give those hooks a shot as well. Hookin' the grubs on the terminal end like that sounds good. Hope to get out in the morn and give it a shot.

Hope I can find an outlet that will carry those Hammers. Here in San Diego County, Hammer merchandise is hard to come by for whatever reason.

Tight Lines!

Aztecwin

  

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fongsterSat Feb-22-03 09:34 PM
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#9121, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Boss Bait and Tackle has Big Hammer swimbaits. The grubs are so new, the company is trying to get them ready for the show, so cross your fingers.

Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
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AztecwinMon Feb-24-03 07:21 AM
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#9138, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Fongster,

I tried your new method of nose hooking the grub and I'm glad I did! Caught some big Bards . Can't elaborate now...gotta get to work.

I'm a believer!

Later

Aztecwin

  

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PHISHuntRMon Feb-24-03 11:43 PM
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#9146, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Mon Feb-24-03 11:52 PM by PHISHuntR

          

I second that motion! :) I too went and tried the new fong method and was very impressed!I cant belive we have fished it any other way..Hit Newport for a couple hours Sunday for 11 bardis!As fongster reported it didnt effect the hook up ratio,and it didnt get ripped off and would slide up the line like with a split/drop shot rig. very cool! I used some little mini circle hooks so all fish came hooked in the lip.(very easy release)IT eliminated the grub sliding down the hook when casting or fish pulling on it! All around great new grub hookin techneic! THANKS FONG!! Your posts are always infomative and have great insight on strait catching fish!! Espeaically surfishing! maybe Ill catch up with ya sometime down in Laguna and you can show me how to hunt down some of those Toad calicos or Butts from the sand!!You the Man! Thanks again for the tip and Ill stop and say what up at the HALL Show!!
KEEP EM BENT!!!!!!!!!!

PHISHuntR

  

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bearcatMon Feb-24-03 08:31 PM
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#9141, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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I wish you can post a picture of how you hook the grub

  

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AztecwinMon Feb-24-03 09:00 PM
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#9143, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Bearcat,

Can't post a pic but its pretty simple. Hook up... Curly tail grub tail down. Go about two ribs back on the grub and insert the hook up. Its that simple.

I smeared Shrimp Smelly Jelly on the grubs and hung on for dear life! LOL. I too like others here was concerned that rigged that way, the grubs would be pulled off. Like Fongter said... didn't happen.

When I do micro grubs for Perch, I usually start the retrieve right after the sink but in this case I casted ...let it sink... and then let it flurry free spool for about 20 seconds with a little bit of twitch on the tip of the rod.

On about 5 occations grubo was picked up and Bardie was hall@asse with drag singing a sweet tune! Got busted off twice using 2# p-line . Looking in my fly vest realized I had forgotten to bring my other spool loaded wit 4#. x(

At any rate, good day and encouraging results. One of the highlights was when I was standing in about 18" of water getting ready to cast when right next to me about two feet away and heading seaward was a Shovelnose Shark about 4 feet long cruized by to say hello.

Ah the surf! I'm falling in love with it to the point where I can't angle anywhere else!

Tight Lines!!

Aztecwin

  

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fongsterMon Feb-24-03 09:47 PM
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#9145, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Mon Feb-24-03 10:14 PM by fongster

          

I don't have a digicam, so I'll draw a pic and post it.

Here it is below (see attachment). I am stoked that it is working for folks. I started openhook dropshotting for freshy bass recently and then the thought of rigging the perch grubs just popped into my head. I can only credit God for the idea because it came out of nowhere. Good fishing, all.


Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
www.swimbait.com
Pro-Cure Scents
www.pro-cure.com

Attachment #1, (.jpg file)

  

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#9147, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Hey Fongster,
Try using the same octopus hook or better yet a circle hook (straight not offset) on a drop shot rig for LMB. Works great for me.

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AMP2564

  

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FishingFiendTue Feb-25-03 10:00 AM
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#9148, "Pics of New Hammer Grubs"
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There's a picture posted of the new hammer per grubs at pierfishing.com


http://www.pierfishing.com/msgboard/pfmb.mv?forum=&module=view&viewid=105604&mode=all&row=0

-fishin420

  

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fongsterTue Feb-25-03 10:29 AM
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#9149, "RE: Pics of New Hammer Grubs"
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Cool. There are a few more colors not shown, not sure what all of them are though, sorry.

Big Hammer Swimbaits-Hammerhead Jigheads
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Pro-Cure Scents
www.pro-cure.com

  

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bowlboyWed Feb-26-03 11:23 AM
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#9151, "RE: Pics of New Hammer Grubs"
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Wed Feb-26-03 11:25 AM by bowlboy

  

          

I believe there are 10 colors total, including the ones posted above, plus, white and chartruse with flake and a couple others in motor oil and rootbeer with different color flakes.

Bowlboy

  

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bearcatThu Feb-27-03 10:27 AM
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#9155, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Thanks for posting the pix. Boy, I can't believe that's how you hook 'em. Does it come off easy or get off position?

  

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fongsterThu Feb-27-03 07:43 PM
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#9160, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Didn't have any torn off the other day. It just rides in the bend of the hook on a retrieve. No more slipping down the shank like old style when bit (i.e. covering the hook). I did have one get the tail bit off but that happened with the old hooking style. Shows how well the head portion holds up I guess.


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Pro-Cure Scents
www.pro-cure.com

  

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perch seekerThu Sep-16-04 09:18 PM
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#12760, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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hay fongster sounds like you got a nice bunch of fish,I was just wondering how long have big hammer grub been out becouse I had seen them at the fred hall show last year. I bought a package of all most all of big hammer grub colors that they had at the booth. dont you have a picture of the big hammer grub on your web sit?,also I think you have a picture on your big hammer web site of how to rig the grub the new way, I have seen the big hammer grubs in most tackel stores. you have new colors wear can you see them on a web site? but you are right it is nice way to hook grubs. well see ya happy fishing

  

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TBrumfieldFri Sep-17-04 08:13 PM
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#12774, "RE: Laguna perch and grub-hooking test results"
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Good going on the grub perch David. I have been having a tough time on them while surffishing Salt Creek using sandcrabs lately. Got some nice big Corbina about 3 weeks ago, but the kelp has really been a problem on many mornings.

  

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