I would highly incourage everyone to check out the Pic posted by Garzzila on this site.....well worth your time!!!! A couple of real nice bass!! www.thefishbox.com/gallery/index.php PS...this pic is for adults only!and this is not the direct link to the pic...so look at your own discretion(disclaimer) :-) Sorry guys too late!! No pic to see!! The people at the site must have seen it and not agreed with the content!!