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forktail | Mon Jul-01-02 09:28 AM |
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#6701, "hard baits"
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I noticed that over the last few years the use of plastic grubs and now swimtails in the surf has grown quite fast, and from wuat i read here on the posts a lot of people use them almost exclusively. but have never heard anything about hard baits, does anybody out there use or has used plugs (topwaters, cranks...)in the surf?, if so which size, tipe and pattern produced? as much as I ejoy the plastics and iron jigs, to me nothing beats watching a surface plug get hammered.
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RE: hard baits,
Leapin Bass,
Jul 01st 2002, #1
RE: hard baits,
forktail,
Jul 01st 2002, #2
RE: hard baits,
Leapin Bass,
Jul 02nd 2002, #3
RE: hard baits,
forktail,
Jul 02nd 2002, #4
RE: hard baits,
forktail,
Jul 02nd 2002, #5
RE: hard baits,
BillH,
Jul 02nd 2002, #6
RE: hard baits,
forktail,
Jul 03rd 2002, #7
RE: Frenzy Minnow,
BillH,
Jul 03rd 2002, #8
RE: Frenzy Minnow,
forktail,
Jul 03rd 2002, #9
RE: Frenzy Minnow,
forktail,
Jul 03rd 2002, #10
Surf topwaters,
Wade,
Jul 05th 2002, #11
RE: Surf topwaters,
forktail,
Jul 05th 2002, #12
RE: Surf topwaters,
Wade,
Jul 05th 2002, #13
RE: Surf topwaters,
forktail,
Jul 06th 2002, #14
RE: Surf topwaters,
Wade,
Jul 08th 2002, #15
RE: Surf topwaters,
forktail,
Jul 08th 2002, #16
RE: Surf topwaters,
forktail,
Jul 08th 2002, #17
RE: Frenzy Minnow,
BillH,
Jul 09th 2002, #18
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forktail | Mon Jul-01-02 11:35 AM |
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#6703, "RE: hard baits"
In response to Reply # 1
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I agree that trying to deal with a treble deep in the maw of a ticked off doormat would be tricky, but those trebles can be switched to singles, I'm just curious to see a good 'butt give chase and hammer a popper in skinny water.
anyway thaks for the input.
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forktail | Tue Jul-02-02 07:05 AM |
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#6705, "RE: hard baits"
In response to Reply # 3
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the one item that i have noticed in changing hooks (if not matched properly) is that it can toss the balance of the lure off wack thus resulting in less fish caught, but if done properly the difference is hardly noticeable, I've lost fish on the singles but also some of them have popped off the trebles. good example of single hooks working good are the marauder lures used for wahoo in long range trips
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forktail | Tue Jul-02-02 07:08 AM |
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#6706, "RE: hard baits"
In response to Reply # 4
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swapping the hooks for salt water grade ones does help a lot if you fish the brine, I've lost a few fish after the hook failed due to corrosion.
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BillH | Tue Jul-02-02 11:49 AM |
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#6707, "RE: hard baits"
In response to Reply # 0
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I have good success with the Berkley Frenzy minnow (shallow version) in the blue shad (blue/white) color. It is weighted to cast well and has a rattle, too. I replace the hooks with Gamakatsu EWG trebs.
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forktail | Wed Jul-03-02 04:55 AM |
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#6708, "RE: hard baits"
In response to Reply # 6
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exactly where and how do you use it, I assume that you use very light line also to maintain casting distance
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BillH | Wed Jul-03-02 01:41 PM |
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#6709, "RE: Frenzy Minnow"
In response to Reply # 7
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From the beach, I cast a far as I can. I use 6 or 8 lb on a Shimano 4000 series spinner. I also use 8 to 10 pound on a baitcaster if not too windy. The lure has a nice wobble and as it bumps the bottom, it darts to either side in a "searching" pattern that I think, looks great. The halibut like it. From the jetty, I cast and wind constantly or use a stop-n-go retrieve. The cuda like it (even at night) and a few juvenile WSB have hit it. From the kayak, I troll it w/ or w/o weight. BTW, the color isn't "blue shad" as I said but instead is "Threadfin shad". Berkley recently came out with a salt version (not as many colors available)
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forktail | Wed Jul-03-02 03:37 PM |
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#6710, "RE: Frenzy Minnow"
In response to Reply # 8
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sounds like I should give it a try. from the surf how far back do you usually cast, considering that its a diving plug and the depth of the water.
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forktail | Wed Jul-03-02 03:39 PM |
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#6711, "RE: Frenzy Minnow"
In response to Reply # 9
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have you ever used topwaters on the surf with any results?
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forktail | Fri Jul-05-02 01:17 PM |
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#6713, "RE: Surf topwaters"
In response to Reply # 11
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hey wade, thanks for the response, first I live and fish in the san diego area, chula vista to be specific. second the thought that you can actually get them on a topwater got me quite excited to go out and plug for them critters. third, cant help but to envy you, must have been a beyond awesome to see a big doormat go up to the surface and inhale a plug.
I first grew curious on the prospect after reading a couple of posts about halibut clearing the water chasing bait, now with your post its confirmed, now I gotta take a shot. needles to say that the baits that your fish went for are way way bigger than what i had on mind.
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forktail | Sat Jul-06-02 05:46 AM |
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#6715, "RE: Surf topwaters"
In response to Reply # 13
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a tresher on a top water, wow, as crazy as I might get, would never think of one going for it
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forktail | Mon Jul-08-02 03:06 PM |
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#6717, "RE: Surf topwaters"
In response to Reply # 15
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I bet that was one of those times you had a camera on hand :)
Hopefully next time you two meet again, you'll have the upper hand and a camera.
Tight Lines Dennis
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forktail | Mon Jul-08-02 03:07 PM |
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#6718, "RE: Surf topwaters"
In response to Reply # 16
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I forgot to add the words wish for on the fist sentence.... Oops!:P
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BillH | Tue Jul-09-02 06:47 AM |
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#6719, "RE: Frenzy Minnow"
In response to Reply # 9
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It is a "shallow" diver going 0-4 feet. Since the depth of the water lessens as I reel towards the shore, when the lure hits bottom I just stop reeling for a second. This way, it floats up a bit and I can start cranking again. As a wave recedes, it is not necessary to wind at all since the water moving out will put action on the lure. I like to keep the Frenzy bumping the bottom. Not sure what you mean by "how far back"...
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