RE: Another suggestion related to managing large tourne...,
billythekidd44,
Oct 28th 2004, #1
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BuzzFish,
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CATCHEM_CARO,
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basserdave,
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billythekidd44,
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aparsons,
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billythekidd44,
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BuzzFish,
Oct 28th 2004, #9
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Bassin,
Oct 28th 2004, #7
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Samurai TI,
Oct 28th 2004, #10
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Kodiakjo,
Oct 28th 2004, #11
Culling?,
Lake,
Oct 28th 2004, #12
RE: Culling?,
Wade,
Oct 28th 2004, #13
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #14
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Samurai TI,
Oct 29th 2004, #15
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #16
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aparsons,
Oct 29th 2004, #22
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #23
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woodsac,
Oct 29th 2004, #24
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #25
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fish24,
Oct 29th 2004, #17
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #18
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fish24,
Oct 29th 2004, #19
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Lake,
Oct 29th 2004, #20
RE: Culling?,
billythekidd44,
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aparsons | Thu Oct-28-04 10:14 AM |
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#24056, "RE: Another suggestion related to managing large tourne..."
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Thanks for those suggestions, Buzzfish. Although we have a lot of disagreement on the running issue, most of us would agree that holding Opens & Invitationals with lots of tubers is a good thing. So, to keep this thing going in future years, we're probably going to have to reach some sort of compromise. DFG might eventually allow "running" under a permit, if for no other reason than to legitimize the FLW Everstart Walmart weigh-ins, but with all the hassles over norther pike, snakehead fish, etc., they're not going to change the law itself.
In '99, when the two clubs 1st really got together for the Invitational, a number of SCBBBC guys were unhappy about allowing the use of oars. Now, I don't think too many people see that as a big deal. I hope we can find some sort of middle ground on running that most of the guys can live with & won't feel like they "lost."
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billythekidd44 | Thu Oct-28-04 11:23 AM |
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#24059, "RE: Another suggestion related to managing large tourne..."
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Lol,o.k here we go again.Lets see if we can shed some light on this again. I looked up #11 and here it is 11. CONTESTANTS MUST REMAIN IN BOAT: Contestants must not depart the boat to land fish or to make the boat more accessible to fishing waters. Boats must remain in tournament waters during tournament days. Contestants must leave and return to official checkpoint by boat. Both competitors must remain in boat at all times except in case of dire emergency. In such an emergency, competitors may be removed from their boat to: A boat operated by other competitors or a rescue boat. Fish can be transferred with boater staying with boat. Partners must remain together at all times, in sight of each other and each other's catch under the conditions cited above, in order for their catch of that day to be scored in the tournament. If a competitor must violate any of the above conditions (to contact a tournament official by phone or other means or to report an emergency or breakdown), both competitors must cease fishing at this point, and their catch must be verified by a tournament official in order to be counted in the tournament. If after the emergency situation is resolved by tournament officials and enough time is left for the competitors to resume fishing, a RESTART will be allowed and the competitors will continue and their catch will be counted. This applies only to dire emergency situations. Tailoring of boats during tournament hours is prohibited, except by the direction of tournament officials.
I must be missing something here because I`m not sure what your refering to.They only mention of transfering fish says you have to stay with your boat,which we do.If its the boat must remain in tourney waters,we are when we get to our spot.Plus we know these things mentioned are designed for real boats with engines,so my opinion is your kinda grasping here,no offense intended. 2.oars are only allowed on running lakes,clear lake and sonoma so that advantage in nil.
True but this only applies to SCBBC. Currently BNT is not allowing running. Do you think that my suggestions would help for those tournaments hosted by BNT? Sure,but what I`ve witnessed during your tourneys is that everybody has a pontoon that I can think of?I think if this is an issue for your club I would give the float tuber a 10 minute head start or whatever you guys think is fair timewise. 3.transporting fish doesn`t harm them anymore than you putting them on your livewell on your kickboat as long as an aireator.sp. and some fish additive is used.in fact i`ve had fish in my basket on the verge of croaking come back to life after being in the livewell with fresh oxygen and an additive of some sort.
It is my perception that runners brought in a lot more dead fish than non-runners at the last open. Unforunately stats on dead fish do not appear to be on the public pages so this is impossible to validate this perception with actual counts.
You can trust me on this one,no b.s.As far as the deadfish at the open go,I honestly dont know the count.But I do know that one guy made a livewell error that resulted in deadfish and I also know that some fish brought to the release boat were pretty much doa but they tried to revive them on the hopes they would comeback to life,where did those fish come from?who knows. 4.having honey holes is part of tourney fishing and doing your homework,otherwise you might as well go to a trout farm.
That is you opinion which I respect. Learning to fish a specific area on a body of water also requires skill and homework. Your right this is a matter of opinion and your also right it does take skill to master a smaller area also.On smaller bodies of water you know you`ll find the fish somewhere because you can cover the whole lake.When your restricted on an area at clear lake for instance,you may get stuck on a spot that hardly has any fish and your fishing water that has been picked by several anglers sure its a challenge but not much fun in my opinion.How do ya think the big boys at the clear lake bassmasters next month would feel if they were told they can only fish soda bay for the tourney?It would be a challenge thats for sure,but I dont think they would have very many guys sign up.
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Samurai TI | Thu Oct-28-04 12:34 PM |
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#24065, "RE: Speaking of the future....."
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Man, this is amazing the amount of content that has been posted on this issue which almost was a non-issue in the past.
I have to agree with Bill on the "homework" aspect of running and searching for new water. Not to say you're in anyway wrong, Clint, but, if you have three people in each of your "homeworked" areas due to launching from a single location, how do you feel? I know I personally hate when I have everybody and their mother fishing on top of me but do admit I get over it.
I have heard about how many guys on this board have said it is unfair that some of the people live closer to certain lakes, therefore have an advantage. Again, most of this is about the willingness to take the time to learn a certain lake and locations in those lakes. Agreed, it is much easier to learn a single location and puts the anglers at a quote, level(er) playing field, but this diminishes some of the challenges with tournament fishing.
Doing "homework" takes time, dedication, learning new techniques and many other factors. Sure, some will have more time to spend doing this but this doesn't mean we should limit what they do! Running or not, everybody is still trying to fish, catch fish, keep them alive and advance the sport. Shouldn't this be the issue more so than "running".
To the point of DFG rules, I would also like to mention I remember someone mentioning about a 1" gap between the point and shank of the hook. Do people here KNOWINGLY fish with a 4/0 or larger hook? Oops, that's illegal! :o
Should I even get into culling...again?
I'll get off my soapbox now but just wanted to point out that there are a lot more important issues than running, fairness (certain opinions) and who is right or wrong. What we should really be focusing on is how to preserve our sport (fishing), the environment and where we want to go with our clubs (kickboat/floattubing). I've worked WAAAYYYY to hard, like others on this board, to have our clubs torn apart on an issue that IMHO is NOT (an issue).
Let's get back to focusing on what is important...FISHING! :7
Todd
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woodsac | Fri Oct-29-04 03:15 PM |
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#24104, "RE: Culling?"
In response to Reply # 23
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I'm not sure if this is related to what Mr. Parsons is talking about, but Carrie Wilson of the DFG, released the exact rules with regulation numbers to a WON publisher.
She clearly stated that in the state of CA, there is NO permit that overides the DFG regulations. In her statement, it said 'once an angler reaches a limit (5 black bass) of the minimum length requirement on that particular body of water, they are required to STOP fishing for that particular species. That message was supported by her seniors.
I didn't write it, and don't know if it's true, but it was there for everyone to read. There were a few internet discussions following the article release. Several reader/writers (some tournament directors) suggested to not draw anymore attention to the subject, and end the online discussions, because they already knew they were in violation.
I searched NCBF, but only found minimal info?
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