ya joe i know what you mean, im trying to get everything possible onto that thing, i cant wait for the tournaments to start and put it to some real work. Jdub i was flippin to the edge of the thick tules and flippin all over sparse tules. most of my fish came on the fall or one hop, i wasn't leaving it in there much longer, most of the time i would flip it in and see the tules shake and pull one out. good job out there again dave, you were all over that spinnerbait bite last week!