RE: Good bass boat classifieds sites?,
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RE: Boat Opinions,
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RE: Boat Opinions,
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Makings of a boat scam...,
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RE: Makings of a boat scam...,
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swimbait | Tue Sep-22-09 12:37 PM |
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#17551, "RE: Good bass boat classifieds sites?"
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Ok, now that we are on the topic, let's talk boats. Am I some big expert? Nope. Just a fisherman who has had a chance to ride in a few and drive a few. Here's what I know along with some opinions. I'm interested to hear yours in return.
Tritons: Rode in a few. Chris Zaldain's and Rod Lee's come to mind. Enjoyed the speed, Rod's was hitting 74 with 3 people in it. Didn't drive either beyond just idling around. Thought they plowed through boat wakes pretty well, but didn't ride in any big water to really see. I like the layout in the Triton OK.
Nitros: Been a long time since I rode in one. Used to prefish with Felix Camacho and rode in his several times. Speared a wave at Clear lake once, broke the windshield. The windshield hit Felix in the head and cut him above the eye. It was not a big Nitro we were in. I thought it was awful when the weather was bad though, and we had that more than once. Got the crap kicked out of us at Pedro once.
Basscat: Borrowed Mark Roger's for 4 days at Clear Lake. Only ran around in some 2' waves, no big water, but thought it handled nicely going across wakes and such. Mark will tell you his boat doesn't get on pad worth a darn when the livewell is full. It took about a minute. Didn't like the layout, storage, etc. Sorry Basscat gang, just not a fan.
Ranger: I've been in a lot of Rangers. All the years fishing with John Lake in his cadillac. Hey it was fun running down swell at Clear Lake with 4 footers passing other people who were getting flushed over and over. John's boat is cool but I don't want one that big.
Cris Vanclef is my other team partner. His Ranger is a 519 hull if I remember right. Cris drives fast. We've been in some fairly crappy weather but nothing huge. I don't like how the boat takes wakes and chop at all. It will slam you good. I do like how tough that boat is. We hit a metal buoy on pad going 35mph at night and the boat was unscathed. I asked Cris about logs on the Delta in the winter. His response was, "Oh yeah I hit those all the time". There's something to be said for that.
I drove Marc Higashi's Z-20 at Casitas and fished out of Henry Shorr's and Mike Goodwin's. Can't remember if Mike had a Z-21 or a Z-20. Can't say I was a fan of those boats.
I've rode in various other regular 520's over the years, Rob Rhiel and some other dude I drew in a Pro/Am a long time back. I like the wide bow on them for fishing. Rob whipped that thing around corners at the Delta at high speed like it was nothing as well. A 520 is the boat I'd be most interested in in the Ranger lineup.
What else. 518, been in a couple of those, Matt Peters and Dan Frasier. Those boats corner like crazy, or maybe that's just because Dan knew how to drive it. I want something bigger than an 18 footer though and I don't really care if I can make the boat slide around turns.
Champion: Cameron Smith has this 196 that we've fished out of quite a few times now. Cam isn't a fast driver but we've run through some chop and waves and that boat ground through the chop like it wasn't there. I'm in to that. I like the high deck in the front for sight fishing and in general. I don't care about being a couple feet off the water at the bow because it gives me more visibility. Cam can put six 8' rods in the locker. I have a lot of 8 foot fishing rods.
The other thing I like is the space around the trolling motor where you can stand right up on the edge of the bow. I like that a lot. I never use a seat fishing and am much more likely to be perched with my toes off the edge of the front of the boat.
When I really started to feel the Champion vibe was when Rod Thigpin and I fished Casitas a few years ago in December and it was blowing a legit 30+ wind. Rod has this old 17' Champion. I was 100% impressed how that boat ran in those waves. For a 17' boat I was blown away. My jon boat would have sank in that stuff and its only 2 feet shorter. In Rod's boat we never got wet. We chatted last week about the 210 Elite him and Todd picked up recently. He said he's loving it.
So that's my slice of the world in terms of boats. Like I said at the beginning, I'm no expert, just a guy who fishes a lot and has rode in a few. After 11 years of fishing from jon boats I'm ready to get in to something that can get on pad and blow across 3 foot chop. From what I've seen so far that's a Champion. Tell me your stories.
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Lake | Wed Sep-23-09 09:55 AM |
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#17555, "RE: Boat Opinions"
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1st off let me say that driver can make all the difference in the world when it comes to the way a boat "appears" to handle rough water. Cam and I have both had our boats a very long time, I bet if we switched boats you would notice a totally different ride. judging a boat with someone else driving isn't really fair to the boat. Its also not like you can call someone and be all "hey its windy can I borrow your boat" Also its important to go with what feels comfortable for you as the driver.
I will add a few comments with a Lake rating, Rating rough water capabilities, top speed/ handling, fishability( rating 1-10) : Keep in mind these are just my opinions.
Triton: This has to be the most difficult boat to learn to drive properly. Even Ranger Pro Staff that have moved to Triton will admit this. Once you learn to drive the boat it is one of the best all round boats for speed and rough water, but not the best in either category. Lake Rating: Rough water capabilities- 6 Top speed/ handling- 8 Fishability- 8
Nitro: I have been a Nitro hater for years. The last few years they have really came around. Felix's boat is not even in the same league as the new Nitro. They have the wide flippin type deck you seem to like on the Champ, but even bigger. the boat is very wide, that hurts your top end speed. Being extra wide makes it a good rough water boat and appears to be very dry. Would I own one no, but it is not the same Nitro's I use to rag on. Lake Rating: Rough water capabilities- 7 Top speed/ handling- 5 Fishability- 8
Basscat: great top end speed boat and handles great. I don't recall what year and model Mark has. This is a decent rough water boat. I have never cared to much for the layout and narrow front for fishing. Lake Rating: Rough water capabilities- 7 Top speed/ handling- 8 Fishability- 5
Ranger: You know I am very biased to Ranger so will not rate or comment. I only will say this is a drivers boat, not as much as a Triton. You really will notice a difference is drivers. Boats have a sweet spot and Rangers can vary with in the same model.
Champion: Solid top end speed and a solid rough water boat. Champs seem to wobble a bit side to side when fishing. Storage isn't the greatest lay out IMO. Lake Rating: Rough water capabilities- 8 Top speed/ handling- 7 Fishability- 6
Skeeter: If they could find a way to keep this over powered lightweight boat in the water when its rough, they would have something. Top speed in no chop is decent if the driver can keep it from walking. I actually like the way it fishes and is laid out.
Lake Rating: Rough water capabilities- 5 Top speed/ handling- 6 Fishability- 8
Remember this is just 1 fishermans opinion. I know we all love the boats we have.
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swimbait | Fri Sep-25-09 09:36 AM |
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#17560, "Makings of a boat scam..."
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I'm searching boattrader.com earlier this week and come across a funky little ad at the end of the listings for Z520's. Here's the ad:
2008 Ranger Z520, 2008 Ranger Z520 w/ Yamaha 250 Series 2. Yamaha warranty thru 2014!!! You will not find another 2008 any cheaper with these options: Humminbird 1197c, Humminbird 967c, HotFoot, 8" Bob's Hydraulic Jackplate w/LED readout at the dash, "Blinker" style trim tabs/jackplate tabs at steering wheel, tilt steering wheel, padded front deck, MinnKota 101 36v trolling motor w/lift assist, MinnKota 15 amp 4 bank onboard charger, 4 AGM batteries, livewell pumpouts, LED lighted storage compartments and livewells, KeelGuard, and much more!!!Never had any damage to hull or engine , never been sunk !! Perfect condition . Thanks for looking!! $29000, 6505873846
So I'm interested especially at $29k, but scratching my head a little over the "never been sunk!!" comment. I call the phone number and its disconnected. On a whim, I send an email to the seller via boattrader.com's form.
Two days later I get 18 photos of the boat along with a short message
Rob, the boat is in perfect condition , never had any damage to hull or engines .Here are some additional photos . Please let me know if you are interested and we could make a deal .
The photos look good, the boat is white with gray pinstripes and all the accessories listed are shown in the photos. The photos don't look like Foster City, they look like North Carolina or something. The boat is shown coming out of a carport on a huge grassy field with a long driveway. The email is sent at 3:20am.
So I email back and ask to set up a test drive this weekend. I suggest going and launching out of Big Break. Still slightly skeptical but figuring maybe this is some rich guy wanting to get rid of a boat or something. Last night, I get this email around midnight:
Rob , I am currently at my mother's place in Melbourne and i will stay here for a while ( my father just passed recently and i can't leave my mother alone right now ). If you are serious about getting my boat and you have the funds available I can send you the boat to test and inspect for 5 days with no problem ( i will pay for the shipping fees ) .I have a friend who works for DAS shipping and he can offer me a great deal with them .The boat is already setup to go , i just have to give them the address where to deliver the boat.In case you don't want it after the 5 days of tests and inspections ( which I'm sure it will not happen because is a gorgeous boat and works just perfect ) you will have to send it back ( also on my expense ) there is no problem with that and i will not get mad at you or something like with that .Let me know if you would like to proceed with this and i will start making the arrangements with DAS. P.S Title , keys , bill of sale , user manual and all the other documents are with the shipping company which will guide you and help you register the boat under your name if you decide to purchase it .They have my signature on the documents and are well instructed what to do .
Regards Jan
At this point the red flags have multiplied past the point of reason. Nico looked at it a little closer and found that the same person Jan Paskal (fake name for sure) has done this before, see:
http://www.2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?p=2200353
More from Craigslist on this topic: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/about/scams
SCAM!
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