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troutman57 | Wed Mar-16-11 12:53 PM |
Member since Mar 16th 2011
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#18118, "RE: ALERT! Yellow-Legged Frog going on CA ESL will sto..."
In response to Reply # 1
Wed Mar-16-11 12:56 PM by troutman57
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I have to agree with you swimbait, for the most part.
But what happens after the Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog (MYLF) is listed as Endangered is anyone's guess and could negatively impact us in the future. Will DFG say we cannot wade in streams because we will kill eggs and tadpoles and frogs, or disturb the habitat of the Endangered MYLF? Sounds like the CBD would like that, among numerous other protections for this frog.
BTW - Why hasn't the DFG started a MYLF planting program. I mean, how hard can it be to raise frogs? :)
Since the USFWS chose not to immediately list the MYLF as Endangered, where is the current 2011 scientific data showing they are "now" endangered. It's quite possible that the current restrictions on trout planting in some waters has already made a positive impact on a species that was not yet Endangered, by definition.
I think we should all write comment letters to the DFG and e-mail them up to Sac by 5PM tomorrow, and oppose the ESL listing before this gets way out of control.
Just doing my little part here, to make folks aware of what's happening in Sacramento, that could affect them someday. If this goes through we'll never be able to get it off the ESL, then we are at the mercy of the next CBD, or the next DFG Program Manager trying to appease them.
OK. Thanks for listening folks. Ive said my piece, and now I'll get down off my soapbox *L*
Regards Mike
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swimbait | Fri Mar-18-11 07:42 PM |
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#18119, "RE: ALERT! Yellow-Legged Frog going on CA ESL will sto..."
In response to Reply # 0
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The date for giving public comment has been extended to April 1, 2011 because of a website glitch with the DFG. I submitted the comment below
Re: http://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/dfg-seeking-public-comment-regarding-proposed-listing-of-mountain-yellow-legged-frogs/
I'm writing to give public comment on the listing of Mountain Yellow-Legged Frogs.
There are two aspects to this listing:
1. Whether or not the Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog is indeed endangered as defined by the relevant government regulations.
2. If the Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog is listed as endangered, what mitigating actions the CA DFG will take
Not being a scientist or one who studies frogs, I'm not qualified to speak to #1. However, when reading the Center for Biological Diversities' public statements regarding this listing, it is apparent that they are most interested #2 and are already stacking the "public relations deck" with the notion that stocked trout are the primary cause of frog population decline.
I sincerely hope that if the frog is listed that the Department will rely on peer reviewed scientific data when establishing the true causes for declines in Mountain Yellow-Legged Frog populations and planning subsequent mitigations. While any 5th grader can do a science experiment to prove that rainbow trout will eat something small and wriggly like a frog tadpole, it will take far more analysis to determine if stocked trout are a primary causal factor for frog population decline in all locations of historic abundance or just a small contributing factor.
It seems apparent that the Center for Biological Diversity has made the correct observation that stocked trout form the cornerstone of recreation in the state of California. It seems apparent that they have begun a campaign to reduce or eliminate the stocking of trout in the state. It seems apparent that they know that in a multi-decade time frame, if they can eliminate trout stocking in the state, they can reduce the number of anglers in the state. They know this because they know where fishermen get their start in this state. They get their start fishing for stocked trout. The CBD has a long history of using specific regulatory nuances to force regulating entities to make decisions that support an unrelated or tangentially related end-game on the part of the CBD. Everything about this issue reeks of this same strategy.
While the Department may be forced to list the Mountain Yellow-Legged frog as endangered and while that may be the correct decision, the Department should not base subsequent mitigating actions on speculation or Center for Biological Diversity press releases. Those decisions should be based on unbiased science.
Sincerely,
-Rob Belloni Owner: www.calfishing.com
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